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John Vervaeke: Meaning Crisis, Atheism, Religion & the Search for Wisdom

Introduction

> Mortality isn't just a far-flung event; it's an ever-present reality where "every moment we are subject to fate," illustrating how the universe is indifferent to our personal narratives. This reality introduces us to multiple "little deaths" as our projects and plans often collide with an unpredictable universe.

> Understanding this indifferent nature of the universe is crucial because it frames our search for meaning. My lecture series, Awakening from the Meaning Crisis, delves into the deep historical and future contexts of humanity's quest for meaning amidst a universe that doesn't cater to our individual stories.

Meaning

> Meaning in life is about connectedness to things beyond oneself with inherent value, leading to a sense of purpose and fulfillment that makes life worth living despite suffering.

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> The meaning crisis is a blend of perennial existential dilemmas and historical factors intensifying the struggle with meaning, manifesting in despair and vulnerability.

> While mortality is a stark reality, focusing on deepening meaningful moments rather than extending life can cultivate a profound appreciation for life's fleeting beauty, steering away from the dread of death.

Consciousness

> Consciousness isn't just a static state; it's deeply integrated with function, and to truly understand it, we need a unified answer to both what it is and what it does. The hard problem of consciousness—understanding qualia—cannot be disentangled from its functional benefits, particularly how it contributes to our adaptive intelligence in a complex environment.

> The quest for artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not merely about creating smarter machines—it's also about gaining deeper insights into cognition and consciousness itself. The challenge lies in mimicking our ability to filter through explosive amounts of information, which is at the core of human intelligence, and doing so without falling prey to self-deception or destructive behavior.

Relevance realization

> Wisdom is the coordination of multiple rationalities in a way that they optimally constrain and afford each other, making it rationally self-transcending. This means ensuring different ways of knowing are integrated harmoniously to navigate life's complexities more effectively.

> Relevance realization is how we interact with the world, dynamically evolving our sensory-motor loop to obtain an "optimal grip" on reality. It’s the process by which we discern what matters most, from recognizing a dog as a dog rather than a mammal to making sense of deeper connections in our lives.

Wisdom

> Wisdom is the Meta Meta problem of puzzle solving, involving overcoming self-deceptive behaviors to zero in on what truly matters in complex situations.

> Self-deception is more about deceiving ourselves rather than outright lying, with artists making things salient to modify behavior, even if loosely connected to reality.

Truth

> Truth is a complex journey of self-transcendence; we only grasp it retrospectively, recognizing our previous misframing when we attain those moments of insight. It’s fascinating how “we're always in a comparative task” of understanding, realizing that what we perceive as real is only understood in contrast to an illusion, suggesting that truth isn’t always absolute but genuinely significant nonetheless.

> Acknowledging personal knowledge is crucial for genuine understanding; if we deny it, we fall into a paradox where knowledge becomes impossible. I believe we can indeed have partial knowledge, enough to guide us, and that this notion allows us to navigate our search for deeper truths without the illusion of complete comprehension.

Reality

> Donald Hoffman's theory that reality is an illusion raises deep questions about our perception and cognition. If evolution and cognition are real, why should they be the only exceptions in a potentially illusory world? This tension between what we perceive as real and the possibility of universal illusion is challenging but not entirely novel, reminiscent of Descarte's insights about mathematics providing a truer path to reality.

> The distinction between epistemic and existential questions is crucial. If we cannot discern reality from illusion, it’s irrational to focus on it. Science remains our best bet for discovering truth, despite its limitations. Therefore, continuing scientific inquiry provides a direction to possibly uncover what is true versus what is illusory.

> The concept of self-correcting systems, whether in the context of AGI or scientific methodology, is vital. A dynamic and recursively self-correcting system, whether in a supposed simulation or not, aims to reduce errors and align closer to truth. However, the possibility of endless layers of simulation introduces the idea that our quest for truth might never reach an absolute endpoint.

Meaning crisis

> When it comes to the meaning of life, I see it as a question that tends to misrepresent the nature of meaning itself. Instead of looking for meaning in the universe or within ourselves, I believe meaning arises from the relationship between the subjective and the objective, what I call transjective. It's about the binding relationship between our subjective experiences and the external world, rather than something inherent in either.

> The question of the meaning of life, while seemingly daunting and unanswerable, serves as a powerful tool to shake us out of the monotony of daily life. It encourages us to reflect on what truly gives our lives joy, lasting fulfillment, and magic. It reminds me of looking up at the stars, which fills us with awe and prompts us to contemplate the bigger picture beyond our daily routines. It's about finding beauty and magic even in the mundane.

> The modern meaning crisis, in my view, stems from a wisdom famine. We have access to vast amounts of information and knowledge, but the pursuit of wisdom, which is about navigating the perennial problems of self-deception and enhancing connectedness, seems lacking. The rise of spirituality without religious affiliation reflects a search for wisdom and connectedness outside traditional structures, highlighting the need for new ecologies of practices that integrate into our scientific worldview.

> There are different ways of knowing beyond just propositional knowledge, such as procedural knowing, perspectival knowing, and participatory knowing. Participatory knowing, in particular, focuses on the co-participation between ourselves and the world, creating a sense of belonging and agency. The self acts as a coordinated storehouse of our agent-arena relationships, roles, and identities, contributing to our sense of self in the world.

Religion

> The essence of transformation in religious experiences lies in the "non-propositional levels"—the procedural, perspectival, and participatory dimensions—where I believe the real depth of meaning-making occurs, akin to “the functionality we need to grasp” about how religions connect us deeply beyond mere propositions.

> There's a profound contemporary emergence of practices, like those encouraged by Rafe Kelly, that weave together movement, play, and mindfulness as essential threads for instilling meaning, reflecting our innate longing for connection in a world grappling with the meaning crisis—demonstrating that “non-religious” experiences can still encapsulate that "religious act" magic, fostering a sense of community and belonging.

Nontheism

> Non-Theism and the Ground of Being: I reject the shared presuppositions of theists and atheists—that sacredness is a Supreme Being with whom we must have correct beliefs. Instead, I see the ground of being as "no-thingness," a concept that transcends personal beings and taps into a deeper sense of reality and meaning beyond mere belief systems.

> Inventio: Creation and Discovery of Meaning: Meaning is a participatory process, captured by the Latin word “inventio” which means both creation and discovery. Insights, for instance, aren’t just created nor passively received; they emerge through our active engagement with reality. This intertwines the notions of discovering and co-creating meaning in our lives.

> Religio and Myths: Myths aren't just ancient stories but are deeply relevant patterns that reveal perennial truths about human existence. They shape our cognition and highlight our inherent need to connect, or "re-ligio." Myths capture not only individual heroic journeys but also collective experiences, demonstrating how we dynamically bind to reality and to each other through shared narratives.

Distributed cognition

> First, the power of distributed cognition is evident in problem-solving. For example, in a reasoning task, success rates dramatically increase when people collaborate, demonstrating the strength of collective intelligence.

> Second, the concept of "Dia logos" in conversations can lead to profound insights and shared flow states, enhancing relationships with others and with the world, ultimately paving the way for the creation of myths and rituals.

> Lastly, mindfulness should be approached holistically with an ecology of practices including meditation, contemplation, and moving mindfulness practices, each serving distinct purposes like focusing on sensations in meditation, engaging in meta contemplation, and practicing the view from above, all to enhance insight and self-regulation.

Flow

> Flow is this incredible state where your skills match the challenges before you, allowing you to experience "optimal experience" on both personal and performative levels—it's not just about pleasure, but rather a profound sense of connection with the world around you. "When you're in the Flow State... you report a tremendous sense of that one mint with the environment."

> The conditions necessary for achieving flow—a clear understanding of your environment, timely feedback on your actions, and a healthy apprehension of stakes—are similar to those found in scientific experiments. It's about creating an environment where one can truly refine their intuitive understanding and learn from the outcomes, reinforcing the idea that "error really matters."

> Engaging in flow can significantly enhance one's sense of meaning in life, offering a valuable counterbalance to the potential pitfalls of modern distractions like video games and social media. Yet, one must be wary of how easy it is to "hijack" flow in virtual spaces, potentially hindering our ability to experience it authentically in the real world. "The opposite of flow is depression; people get stuck in this non-real world, losing touch with flow in the physical world."

Psychedelics

> Psychedelics essentially act like "noise" in neural networks, reducing constraints and enabling parts of the brain to communicate in unusual ways, akin to dropout techniques in AI that prevent overfitting. However, just this disruption isn't enough; it requires structured integration within a sapiential framework for genuine, sustained transformation. Traditional use in indigenous cultures offers a model where psychedelics are embedded in practices that enhance insight and self-regulation, ensuring meaningful and safe experiences.

> The concept of higher states of consciousness reveals a fascinating shift in perception, where individuals often return from psychedelic or mystical experiences insisting that these states are "more real" than ordinary consciousness. This shift challenges our usual way of evaluating reality and suggests a potent potential for life transformation when properly integrated. People who undergo these transformative experiences often see improvements in relational quality, self-perception, and mental health, indicating a deep, positive impact when the experience is adequately integrated into one's life.

Marxism and Nazism

> The origin of Marxism and Nazism lies in imbuing philosophical ideas with a religious-like narrative structure, offering a vision of progress and a teleological view of history that can lead to a Utopia. Marxism was born from Hegel's dialectic, emphasizing class struggle within socioeconomic factors, forming an all-encompassing worldview and a demanding vision of human excellence. Marxism's allure in the name of communism was in offering the hope of creating a new world and new human beings, similar to the promises traditionally associated with religions, but cloaked in scientific legitimacy.

> The failure of Marxism and Nazism can be attributed to the Promethean spirit, the belief that humans can attain god-like status and reshape themselves and society without acknowledging the complexities of human nature and the nuances of history. The pursuit of Utopia by any means necessary, fueled by this overconfidence, leaves a path of atrocities in its wake, highlighting the danger of the Promethean spirit and its readiness to justify brutal means for an ideal end.

Evil

> Evil cannot simply be reduced to individual immorality; instead, "sin is a failure to love wisely," which leads to a deeper idolatry where we elevate things that aren't ultimate, creating "hyper agents" that can cause collective harm beyond mere personal decisions.

> Navigating my past as a fundamentalist Christian has led me to explore various philosophies, and I’ve come to understand that even seemingly good choices can become problematic when they neglect the greater good—true love requires wrestling with complex questions about our commitments and relationships.

Powerful ideas

> The idea of Martin Heidegger's critique of "onto-theology" has profoundly influenced me, particularly his distinction between "being" and a "Supreme Being." Heidegger reminds us that being is "no thing" and cannot be understood as a particular entity; this insight underscores our disconnection from ultimate reality when we erroneously equate it with individual things. We often fail to love the ground of being itself and instead get fixated on particular entities, thereby missing the greater connection.

> Carl Jung offers a perspective on the psyche that resonates deeply with the direction of cognitive science. Unlike Freud's steam-engine metaphor, Jung's organic model of the psyche as a living entity aligns closely with the concepts of self-transcendence and opponent processing. While both Freud and Jung focus on the psychodynamic unconscious—dealing with ego development and personal interpretation—this is just one part of the broader unconscious. The integration of Jungian ideas with cognitive science can enrich our understanding of the unconscious as not merely a repository of repressed desires but as a complex, self-organizing system that we must engage in a dialogical relationship.

Advice for young people

> One key insight from my conversation with Lex is the importance of finding an Ecology of practices and a community that supports wisdom and virtue, especially in relationships, as the foundation for a fulfilling life. Taking care of these foundational elements will naturally lead to other aspects falling into place.

> Another significant point is the personal journey through a meaning crisis, illustrated by my experience of leaving fundamentalist Christianity and facing the dark period of the "black burning". This journey emphasized the need to address non-propositional aspects deeply ingrained within us, showing the universality of grappling with meaning in our lives.